Before I get started, I’d just like to state that I’m a huge fan of SoonerScoop.com, which is a part of the Rivals.com Network. The guys there (Josh, Carey, etc) do a great job and will always have me as a paying customer because they know how to make their members happy with the content they provide. With that being said, now it’s time to expose the Network that their site belongs to…Rivals.com
Last Friday I decided to try out another site on the Rivals.com Network. I won’t say the name as I think the owner of that site is a total douche, but I wanted to look around and see if I might want to become a member anyways. I like to keep tabs on the competition, what can I say.
When I visited the main page of the site it said “Sign up for your Free Trial!” — great, let’s check it out and see what kind of content they offer. On every thread you click on it states the same thing, because it forwards to a Free Trial page that states that you can get a 7-Day Free Trial by “signing up here.” So I decide to sign up for the Trial and get started… I mean, seriously, what’s the big deal?
Well, here’s where the shit hit the fan with me, being someone who’s a big believer of treating customers right. The problem was that, once I signed up and the ‘transaction’ (free trial) went through, I was automatically given a “Sorry, you have already used your Free Trial on SoonerScoop.com” … But the GOOD NEWS was that I was automatically charged $99.99 for this other site! Yay!
OK, does anyone see a problem here? ‘Sign up for a Free Trial’ -> BAM! Charged unknowingly, without warning that I would automatically be charged… ? I believe the new FTC Regulations state that this is now against the law. Am I wrong? (would love to find the documentation to this, just because)
So that’s just part one. I then proceed to visit the site and check out the content to see if I would be OK with being charged in such a cheap shot style by Rivals.com. Well, we’ve got another problem. The content didn’t show up. It still stated that I should sign up for their Free Trial. But, I just did that… what gives? 72 hours later and I’m still stuck in the same position.
Here’s the thing… the $99.99 is not the issue here. It’s the feeling of being duped into purchasing something without my full consent. If I wanted to give them that, I would have just purchased a subscription months ago. I’ve never been a big fan of CPA Rebills because I feel the same way about this stuff. But at least (on most LP’s) most of those sites they have clear warnings of the up-coming charges and don’t automatically bill you right then and there.
What’s the difference between Rivals.com customer support and all of the Rebill offers out there? Not much. I send in an email and get Post Delivery Failure messages. When I finally get through and they reply to the email – it says “Reply to this Email.” When I do that, I get another Post Delivery Failure email. I tried every possible email address you could think of… only one email worked. I got a canned message stating that they received my email and would be responding shortly. They did, but with a very poor quality update stating I should “read the Terms of Service” (don’t even get me started on that bullshit).
So I tried calling their number and their offices had just closed. Not a problem, I’ll call Monday…………..
Monday morning arrives and I (unhappily) call up their Customer Service department. I actually believed that, since they’re a Yahoo! property, I would call and get good support. Oh boy, here we go… this lady was a total moron. I hate using that word, but she was. She either did not understand English or she was not interested in being at work that day. Everything she asked, I answered in detail, but not too much to where it would cause confusion. Simple answers for simple questions. She then gave me information that would have been great if it actually applied to my problem. It’s like asking someone to go to the grocery store and get a gallon of milk, so they go to the auto parts store and bring back an Air Filter. Seriously, it was that bad. She was absolutely clueless.
Finally I said “Look, I’m a busy guy. All I want is my money back and for you guys to let someone know about this issue. The money isn’t even important, but I don’t like feeling like I got scammed by an [allegedly] legit company.” All they had to do was give me a refund and let me walk away, but this lady mentioned the Terms of Service again, so I asked her if she ever reads the TOS when signing up for, what appears to be, legit services? She said yes, so I couldn’t keep myself from laughing out loud and saying “OK, so you’re that lady everyone talks about. Good to meet you.” She didn’t get my joke and said “thank you, you too.” She then told me that I wouldn’t be able to ‘qualify’ for a refund, but she would do me a huge favor and go ahead and cancel the service that I just paid $99.99 for only 72 hours earlier, that I never actually received. Good for her, what a great person she is…
Of course, that wasn’t OK. Actually, it just pissed me off more. I asked to speak to her superior and after another 10 minutes of questions that she had already asked, followed by “please hold the line” (5 times, I counted), I was finally connected to a guy that was clearly not American. If he was, I apologize, but the accent was evident that he was not ‘American’ for long, if he was at all. The irony is that he was far more helpful than this lady was and he immediately stated that he would ‘open a case’ for me and then contact me within 24-48 hours. While that’s not good enough, it’s better than nothing.
What I don’t understand is how some companies are stuck in their dinosaur ways. I thought Yahoo! was a pretty good company, overall. Maybe they simply bought out Rivals, but don’t actually participate in this company at all? One thing is clear: 247sports.com is going to crush rivals.com. Maybe this is why some of the guys from 247sports left rivals? Outdated Business practices, bad customer support, terrible technology, etc. That’s another point! Rivals.com is using Forum software that appears to be based on a very, very, very old vBulletin version. As in MAYBE vBulletin 1.0 type system. It’s terrible.
I’m really hoping that SoonerScoop.com moves away from Rivals so that I can be done with this company, but if not – they’d be the only reason I do give them any money at all. I’m shocked that their customer support system is that miserable. From Canned responses giving you the run around to bad CS Reps, how can upper management not fire a bunch of people? I just hope I never have to contact them again at this point. I could literally build a better system in a week. It’s NOT that hard.
Wake up Dinosaurs, your world is ending.


By d3so on Aug 30, 2010 | Reply
Damn that sucks, I hate it when I get suckered into those. Did you ever get your money back?
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By Clint Lenard on Aug 30, 2010 | Reply
Yep, but it wasn’t a fun process lol I wasted time doing it, but it was only worth it because I hate getting screwed out of money, even if it’s a dollar.
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By Jen on Oct 14, 2010 | Reply
just got off the phone with Rivals, charged me and will not take off the charge. I had the same experience, finally put throught to a supervisor, still wouldn’t take it off. I filed a dispute with my credit card, we’ll see what happens now.
I would love to get the word out about them, very deceptive!
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By Justin Dupre on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply
Wow I can’t believe they just charge you like that through a free trial method. Horrible..truly a customer service dinosaur.
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By Doug on Dec 22, 2010 | Reply
These guys have screwed me right before Christmas and I do not know what to do. It slipped my mind to cancel. Heck I was not even paying attention to the site. I was employed for part of the year and I made a lot more in my prior job. Well it floored me when I saw the charge for 99.95 on my account. At first I thought they would understand and revese the charges. I was very wrong. All the lady on the phone could talk about the Terms of Service! I am struggling to pay bills and even get my son a Christmas present and all they care about is their freaking Terms of Service. Not to mention, they are only open when I have to work. Maybe t is time for a class action lawsuit. It happened to AOL and others who tried to make it difficult for people to cancel. I do not want to use the ste. I just want my money back. I could understand if I waited a few months to call them. I called the next day that I got the charges.
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Clint Lenard reply on December 22nd, 2010:
Sorry to hear that Doug, did you try asking for a Supervisor? That’s how I finally got my money back, although it took about 10 days.
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By Ryan Eagle on May 8, 2011 | Reply
It certainly happens to the best of us. At least you got your money back.
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By Donald Jungbauer on May 24, 2011 | Reply
thanks for all your information.
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Clint Lenard reply on May 24th, 2011:
Not a problem
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By Sjon on Dec 18, 2011 | Reply
yeah that is crazy how they are soooooo cool with the details. They done me wrong 10 years ago and I figured that they might have gotten with the times. They charged me after giving me the 7-day free trial business.
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By Dustin on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply
I absolutely hate rivals.com customer service. I wanted to cancel a year ago, was astonished there isnt a way to cancel online. Called up the number and got some person I could barely understand and after awhile I managed to get a few months free, so I was like ok cool. Well at the end of the 3 months i go to cancel, again get someone i can barely understand and they tell me I have to cancel 48 hrs before the term ends. WTF???!! So if you call 1 day early its too late, they will bill you, automatically. Now its at the end of my 1 year and I’m trying to call and was on hold for 15 minutes before I decided to just hang up. Really?? There cant be that many people calling that I’m on hold that long.
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Clint Lenard reply on February 1st, 2012:
Dustin,
Do yourself a favor and login to Rivals (your home site, whichever it is), then click your name on the top left hand side. You can then go and change your membership in this area after you re-enter your password.
Here’s the trick. Change the last 4 digits on your CC and the dates so that it can’t auto bill you again. No more having to call them to cancel. Simply change your billing details and the system can’t charge you!
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